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RICHARD PREBBLE: Why We Cannot Talk About Climate Change

I recently posted an article about New Zealand's carbon market.


It asked whether the Government should fix the carbon price or continue auctioning carbon credits.


That was the debate I hoped to have.


Instead, I received more than ninety comments, numerous emails and texts.


Only one person discussed carbon pricing.


Some told me climate change is a hoax. Others said I was dangerously understating the threat of climate change.


MPs have told me they receive much the same response. Whatever the issue, climate policy quickly becomes an argument about whether climate change is real.


We have reached the point where sensible discussion has become almost impossible.


Climate policy has become tribal.


Once an issue becomes tribal, evidence no longer matters. People defend the position of their side instead of asking whether new information should change old beliefs.


Years ago, I read Norman Dixon's brilliant book The Psychology of Military Incompetence. It examines why intelligent generals can make disastrous decisions.

One of its central conclusions is that organisations fail when evidence that challenges accepted thinking is treated as disloyalty rather than information.


That is what worries me about today's climate debate.


For New Zealand policy, the endless argument over whether climate change is entirely man-made, partly natural or something in between no longer changes the choices before us. Virtually every country we trade with accepts the Paris framework. America can walk away. New Zealand cannot.


The real question is whether our policies still reflect the best available science.


The science has moved on since the Paris Agreement was negotiated.


Scientists from Oxford University, New Zealand and elsewhere have challenged the way agricultural methane is measured.


Carbon dioxide remains in the atmosphere for centuries. Methane behaves differently. It breaks down after about twelve years. The carbon dioxide produced is then reabsorbed by the grass that livestock eat. Agricultural methane is part of a biological cycle.


That does not mean methane has no warming effect. It does.


But it does mean stable methane emissions do not continue adding to warming in the same way as continually accumulating carbon dioxide.


That is a significant scientific development.


New Zealand should welcome it, not ignore it.


Our methane emissions are already falling, largely because sheep numbers have declined. New technologies, feed additives and, perhaps soon, vaccines promise much larger reductions.


New Zealand should become the world's leading centre for methane reduction research.


If we can help livestock farmers reduce emissions without reducing production, we will have created something the entire agricultural world wants to buy.


Yet our political debate is still trapped in yesterday's arguments.


National, Labour, the Greens and much of the bureaucracy insist we must meet our Paris commitments exactly as they are currently written, even though Treasury calculates that doing so could cost New Zealand billions of dollars.


ACT argues the agreement should be renegotiated or New Zealand should leave.


New Zealand First says the agreement does not fit the Pacific but does not appear to have made reform part of our foreign policy.


National appears to have settled on a simple climate policy: adhere to the Paris Agreement whether it still makes sense or not.


The Oxford analysis deserves to be taken seriously.


If it is correct, reducing agricultural methane can do more than simply slow future warming. It can make a measurable contribution to cooling.


That would change the debate.


New Zealand should argue that countries with large agricultural sectors should be encouraged to reduce methane because doing so delivers a climate benefit that the existing Paris accounting does not properly recognise.


That is not asking for weaker climate policy.


It is asking for better climate policy.


The Paris Agreement should evolve as the science evolves.


That is how science is supposed to work.


History is full of examples where institutions ignored inconvenient evidence because it threatened settled beliefs.


Climate policy should not become another.


Imagine New Zealand arriving at the next climate conference not asking for an exemption but saying we have found a better way.


If reducing agricultural methane can make even a small contribution to cooling, why would we not want the Paris Agreement to recognise it?


I expect this article will produce another flood of comments explaining either that climate change is a hoax or that I am a dangerous sceptic.


I hope a few readers respond to the argument I have actually made.


The science has moved on.


It is time the policy did too.


The Honourable Richard Prebble CBE is a former member of the New Zealand Parliament. Initially a member of the Labour Party, he joined the newly formed ACT New Zealand party under Roger Douglas in 1996, becoming its leader from 1996 to 2004.

 
 
 

113 Comments


MaggieL
Jun 27

Can you explain Richard how a small anemic economy like NZ's can help climate change by paying money (probably borrowed) to huge high emitting 'developing' nations like China, India, Indonesia? The joke is on us. If we keep down this path of sending our money to someone else's back pocket, we will soon be just another island in the South Pacific that will be in need of aid.

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As this graph shows - CO2 levels are NOT consistently related to temperature. END of story !!

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The climate has been in this cyclical pattern of ice ages (recently about every 100,000 years) interspersed with relatively warm periods such as at present, for the last 3.64 million years. Mankind evolved relatively late in this period (during the last ice age of the Pleistocene) - not in the hot epoch tens of millions of years earlier when dinosaurs roamed the Antarctic.

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sean
Jun 27

Your concluding comments are ironic. If you read the Bolger cabinet minutes approving nzs entry into the UNFCC, back in 1992, you will see reference there to not not being able to meet methane targets but this could be justified, so Don McKinnon argued, due to technical limitations. Even way back then they were looking for a vaccine. In those days, before the ‘climate emergency’ narrative took hold, the sensible policy was that of ‘no regrets’ because the issue was treated as important but not as important as other policy considerations, like exporting food and energy security.. actually the science hasn’t really changed. It’s the political narrative that has. We need to return it back to where it was.

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Hi Richard.


I don't think you understand this subject very well.


For example, you say "Carbon dioxide remains in the atmosphere for centuries".

This is wrong. On page 8 of the first IPCC report they said the turnover time of CO2 is about 4 years. This means that about 25% of the atmospheric CO2 is removed each year, mostly either by photosynthesis or by absorption by the oceans.


Total emissions of CO2 from all sources is about 220 Gigatonnes of carbon per year (GtC/yr) Human emissions are about 10 GtC/yr. So humans are responsible for 10 divided by 220 which is about 4% of total CO2 emissions.


You said "If reducing agricultural methane can make even a small contribution to…


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A correction: John, I owe you an apology. I had read your last comment in haste and assumed you were referring to subglacial volcanic activity but now see you were probably referring to activity in the undersea volcanoes of Bransfield Strait. There was a major swarm of volcanic earthquakes there in 2020, but probably no eruption. Even if there had been, the source would have been far too distant from the region of serious ice sheet loss (which began in the mid 1990s) to have had any effect on it. Peter

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The common theme for most of the comments to-date is there's no proof that additional CO2 in the atmosphere would raise the temperature. Apart from the fact there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I suggest you take a look at the historical record (below - since replicated in other ice cores) that I've just updated by hand with the latest data to help any doubters spot the link: Raise the temperature by subtly changing the astronomical setting and the temperature eventually responds. Or raise the CO2 concentration (as mankind has done) and the temperature rises. Either way, it results in a feedback mechanism, creating an almost endless loop to enhance the original effect.

Apart from that, I suggest almost…


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A correction to my middle sentence above: "If you raise the temperature by subtly changing the astronomical setting (the Milankovich cycle) the CO2 level eventually responds." is what I meant to say!

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